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Wednesday, January 31, 2007
  Notes from the Summit: Reed v. Sager

A few more random clips from the Ralph Reed-Ryan Sager debate on Evangelicals and the GOP.

Reed smugly asserts that "I don't think that affirming marriage is bigotry." He goes on to cite opposition to gay marriage by Bush, Kerry, and Bill Clinton, who all agreed that marriage was 'between a man and a woman.'

"I call that consensus," he says.

Sager destroys him: yeah, he says, but none of them are actually against gay marriage. Nobody seriously believes that Kerry or Clinton oppose it. And even Bush has never done anything about it. Where's the marriage amendment?

Reed looks like a gullible evangelical, getting screwed by the GOP again.


During Q&A, a Hispanic radio host stands up to argue that Republicans can use social conservative hobby horses to bring in Hispanic voters. Sager replies that "the Hispanic vote is the great white whale of the Republican Party."


Reed agrees that, sure, younger voters aren't into banning gay marriage. But "give 'em time." (A woman behind me laughs in agreement: "they're kids.") "You think they don't care about the sanctity of marriage? Wait 'til they get married."

Clearly, Reed is smoking some pretty good stuff.


Sager asks the audience, "what is the conservative movement's answer to the fact that gay people exist?" A murmur of disapproval runs through the room.

They don't have an answer, and they don't want to think about it.

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